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    My new to me 16 Valve!

    Greetings,

    New Member here, just took delivery of my first 190 a few days ago! (SF Bay Area)

    The 190E 2.3-16 has always been a "bucket-list" car for me. Found this one in Miami about a month ago and I flew out to check it out and fell in love.

    The car is very well sorted out with a stack of maintenance records going back to 2008 totaling $26K! The engine was rebuilt about 20k miles ago, and all the major systems have been refurbished in the last decade. Has working A/C, SLS, etc.

    I have spent the last few weeks browsing through threads on here trying to learn as much as possible about these cars. Already have some parts on order to tackle a couple of minor repairs it needs such as a broken passenger headrest adjuster, new LCD screen for the lap timer, and power antenna.
    Some other work that it needs to make it 100% is fixing the cruise control (came with a spare computer so going to try and swap that out)

    Being a bit of an automotive purist, my goal is to get it as close to factory spec as possible. At some point someone decided to "upgrade" to 16" Evo 1 style wheels. If anyone has a lead on a set of the factory 15"x7 wheels let me know!

    I look forward to becoming a part of the community here.

    -Christian








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    Hello:

    I'm located in socal, orange county. I have a set of 16V core wheels available. They need to be refinished. PM me for details

    Jeff

  3. I have a set as well that needs refinishing I would be willing to trade and can deliver to you let me know if you are interested.

  4. Congratulations on your purchase! I'm in the East Bay too! The car looks clean.

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    Thanks!

    Received several PM's about possible trade on the wheels. At this point I have a deal with captruff (Jeff) hes going to sell me a set he has. If for some reason that falls through I'll reach out to the rest of you with the possible trade idea. For now I think I'd like to keep both sets. I need to remove them as well to verify the width. All I know is that they are 16". Not even sure if they are authentic or replicas. They were described in the ad as "Evo 1 style wheels" whatever that means lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redgy77 View Post
    Congratulations on your purchase! I'm in the East Bay too! The car looks clean.
    Awesome! Perhaps we can meetup some time I'd love to chat with a fellow enthusiast and learn some more about this awesome car!

    -Christian

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    Quote Originally Posted by S52 View Post
    ... At some point someone decided to "upgrade" to 16" Evo 1 style wheels...
    A vast number of owners upgraded to 16" rims, to gain back a decent option in tires after 15's became all but obsolete.
    Maybe there are some 30 yr old P6's on eBay. Or if you want to compromise a bit, some 25 yr old P600's.
    '86 190E 16V, museum piece since '98

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    Welcome! More bay area folks, sweet! Beautiful smoke silver, I still want one in that color, all mine are black lol. Awesome that your AC works, and while euro headlights are a common upgrade, I also notice it has euro tails, less common for someone to know to change those as well. You're also ahead of the game being on historic plates ;p


    I gotta jump in this hot tire discussion...

    Quote Originally Posted by Hexadeca View Post
    A vast number of owners upgraded to 16" rims, to gain back a decent option in tires after 15's became all but obsolete.
    I agree, the change to 16" is mostly about practicality and having options for tires to buy.


    Christian, the stock 16v 205/55/15 is woeful for commute options; performance rubber? Forget about it. Stepping out to 225/50/15 nets you all kinds of great performance options, but essentially most are non-dot track only, with 1 or 2 commute options. Good if you're into that kind of thing (many of us track these cars) but not so much if you want to go down the originality path. The middle numbers, 215/50/15 and 215/55/15, do not exist in the market and would be incorrect for speedo as well.

    That leaves 16" and 17". Two speedo correct 16" options, which also have much more commute/performance/track options in the market, are 205/50/16 (ever so slightly too tall); and 225/45/16, which are about as spot-on as they can get to the correct diameter, and work within the limited wheel well size. Speaking of limited wheel wells, in 17" your pretty much stuck at 215/40/17, any wider and you'd have to use even less profile (40 is already risking wheel damage), any more profile than 40 and you will rub badly, maybe even knock off trim pieces.

    While taste is subjective, most owners of 16vs are not teenagers with hondas, the choices made usually have reasoning behind them, or are working around limitations, of which you will become very familiar with in time now that you have one ;p
    1984 2.3 8v Lorinser - Drift/track competition - "Grønne Pige"
    1984 2.3-16 ECE 5-Speed - Sent to Graveyard - "Steve"
    1985 2.3-16 ECE 5-Speed - Daily - "Darkwing"
    1986 2.3-16 NAM 5-Speed - Donor - "Rusty Trumpet"
    1986 2.3-16 NAM Auto - Basket Case - "Phönix"
    1987 2.3-16 NAM VEMS EFI 5-Speed - Track/Canyon - "Dimples"

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    Quote Originally Posted by secretmachine View Post
    Welcome! More bay area folks, sweet! Beautiful smoke silver, I still want one in that color, all mine are black lol. Awesome that your AC works, and while euro headlights are a common upgrade, I also notice it has euro tails, less common for someone to know to change those as well. You're also ahead of the game being on historic plates ;p


    I gotta jump in this hot tire discussion...



    I agree, the change to 16" is mostly about practicality and having options for tires to buy.


    Christian, the stock 16v 205/55/15 is woeful for commute options; performance rubber? Forget about it. Stepping out to 225/50/15 nets you all kinds of great performance options, but essentially most are non-dot track only, with 1 or 2 commute options. Good if you're into that kind of thing (many of us track these cars) but not so much if you want to go down the originality path. The middle numbers, 215/50/15 and 215/55/15, do not exist in the market and would be incorrect for speedo as well.

    That leaves 16" and 17". Two speedo correct 16" options, which also have much more commute/performance/track options in the market, are 205/50/16 (ever so slightly too tall); and 225/45/16, which are about as spot-on as they can get to the correct diameter, and work within the limited wheel well size. Speaking of limited wheel wells, in 17" your pretty much stuck at 215/40/17, any wider and you'd have to use even less profile (40 is already risking wheel damage), any more profile than 40 and you will rub badly, maybe even knock off trim pieces.

    While taste is subjective, most owners of 16vs are not teenagers with hondas, the choices made usually have reasoning behind them, or are working around limitations, of which you will become very familiar with in time now that you have one ;p
    Thanks for the reply here and my question about the idle over on the 16V forum.

    Yeah I agree with all that has been said now about the 16" wheels as far as tire options go. I was just on the mindset of having it setup in factory configuration- I think for now I will keep the 16" wheels and maybe pick up a set of the stock 15" just to have an original "correct" setup for the car. This thing is definitely a keeper and I just like to have original stock parts on hand for all my cars. I was lucky that the car even came with a box in the trunk containing the original US DOT headlights and tail lights.

    I'm surprised you could tell from the pictures it has the Euro tail lights though- I held them up side by side with the US spec ones and beyond different stampings "DOT" in the lens to my untrained eyes I struggled to notice a difference! lol

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    Oooo its the Doug DeMuro review car! The pinstripe was removed though.

    edit: I think it was also the same car from the first Smoking Tire review. They look identical besides the plates and the odo mileage is only 1000 miles higher in the Doug vid.
    Last edited by Ryan; 05-23-2020 at 02:22 AM.
    1986 190e 2.3-16 5spd 702
    1986 190e 2.3-16 5spd 199

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan View Post
    Oooo its the Doug DeMuro review car!
    holy crap, it is! lol
    1984 2.3 8v Lorinser - Drift/track competition - "Grønne Pige"
    1984 2.3-16 ECE 5-Speed - Sent to Graveyard - "Steve"
    1985 2.3-16 ECE 5-Speed - Daily - "Darkwing"
    1986 2.3-16 NAM 5-Speed - Donor - "Rusty Trumpet"
    1986 2.3-16 NAM Auto - Basket Case - "Phönix"
    1987 2.3-16 NAM VEMS EFI 5-Speed - Track/Canyon - "Dimples"

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    Quote Originally Posted by S52 View Post
    I'm surprised you could tell from the pictures it has the Euro tail lights though- I held them up side by side with the US spec ones and beyond different stampings "DOT" in the lens to my untrained eyes I struggled to notice a difference! lol

    All amber-ish orange, no red on the corner, no reflector. I have a few tail light varieties myself ;p since I'm a nerd for 190's lolol.


    Another piece that could finish that light set off is euro front corners. They are a deeper amber, somewhat grapefruit colored, over the light orange of the US types. Although personally, I'm partial to clear corners on the light colored 190's, and I like the amber on the dark colored ones.


    That smoke silver though, it really shows off those beautiful Sacco body lines better than any other color, like a cut gem.
    1984 2.3 8v Lorinser - Drift/track competition - "Grønne Pige"
    1984 2.3-16 ECE 5-Speed - Sent to Graveyard - "Steve"
    1985 2.3-16 ECE 5-Speed - Daily - "Darkwing"
    1986 2.3-16 NAM 5-Speed - Donor - "Rusty Trumpet"
    1986 2.3-16 NAM Auto - Basket Case - "Phönix"
    1987 2.3-16 NAM VEMS EFI 5-Speed - Track/Canyon - "Dimples"

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    Quote Originally Posted by secretmachine View Post
    All amber-ish orange, no red on the corner, no reflector. I have a few tail light varieties myself ;p since I'm a nerd for 190's lolol.


    Another piece that could finish that light set off is euro front corners. They are a deeper amber, somewhat grapefruit colored, over the light orange of the US types. Although personally, I'm partial to clear corners on the light colored 190's, and I like the amber on the dark colored ones.


    That smoke silver though, it really shows off those beautiful Sacco body lines better than any other color, like a cut gem.
    I see what you mean now with the different shade of Orange. I think my car has the Euro front corners too. The box with the US spec parts also had a set of corners with SAE stamps on them mfd by Bosch. The ones currently on the car are mfd by Hella. A bit darker shade too.



    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan View Post
    Oooo its the Doug DeMuro review car! The pinstripe was removed though.

    edit: I think it was also the same car from the first Smoking Tire review. They look identical besides the plates and the odo mileage is only 1000 miles higher in the Doug vid.
    Correct on my cars history. It is indeed the same one from the Demuro and Smoking tire review video.

    The pin stripe looks like it was painted over... which is too bad because it wouldnt have bothered me- I thought the car looked better in the Demuro video with it anyways.

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    Oh, hmm, those hella corners are lighter than I usually see but are still nice!
    1984 2.3 8v Lorinser - Drift/track competition - "Grønne Pige"
    1984 2.3-16 ECE 5-Speed - Sent to Graveyard - "Steve"
    1985 2.3-16 ECE 5-Speed - Daily - "Darkwing"
    1986 2.3-16 NAM 5-Speed - Donor - "Rusty Trumpet"
    1986 2.3-16 NAM Auto - Basket Case - "Phönix"
    1987 2.3-16 NAM VEMS EFI 5-Speed - Track/Canyon - "Dimples"

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    Not sure about those.

    These are the Original Bosch corners and sidemarkers on mine (circa 2010)
    1987 201.034 - € spec 5sp. Blauschwarz- Hermann.
    1992 124.051 - 6sp man. Iceblau - Gretel
    1992 124.090 - 4sp auto Malachit Grün - Beatrix
    1987 107.048 - 4sp auto Signalrot - Stella
    2012 212.074 - 7sp mct-speedshift Diamantweiß - Klaus

    exit lounge: 1989 201.035, 1987 201.029, 1987 126.039, 1972 107.023,

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    Hella Euro vs bosch NAM...

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    I have hella and bosch euros and both are darker than his hellas, maybe it's a later version?
    1984 2.3 8v Lorinser - Drift/track competition - "Grønne Pige"
    1984 2.3-16 ECE 5-Speed - Sent to Graveyard - "Steve"
    1985 2.3-16 ECE 5-Speed - Daily - "Darkwing"
    1986 2.3-16 NAM 5-Speed - Donor - "Rusty Trumpet"
    1986 2.3-16 NAM Auto - Basket Case - "Phönix"
    1987 2.3-16 NAM VEMS EFI 5-Speed - Track/Canyon - "Dimples"

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    1987 201.034 - € spec 5sp. Blauschwarz- Hermann.
    1992 124.051 - 6sp man. Iceblau - Gretel
    1992 124.090 - 4sp auto Malachit Grün - Beatrix
    1987 107.048 - 4sp auto Signalrot - Stella
    2012 212.074 - 7sp mct-speedshift Diamantweiß - Klaus

    exit lounge: 1989 201.035, 1987 201.029, 1987 126.039, 1972 107.023,

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