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Thread: Alain V. 16v track day project

  1. #21
    I have that same T5 trans idea in my build.
    1986 201.034 "Berthilda" 5-speed, Evo II wheels 225/45/17, 400E front swaybar, 400e rear brakes
    1986 201.024 M104 engine, 5-speed Conversion, Updated LE trim console, 400E front sway bar, W202 springs, Limited slip Diff, 16v Steering box, 3" magnaflow exhaust system, 16v body kit, 16v Fuel tank, 16v Brake Booster, 400E calipers, MS2 3.57.
    1993 201.029 Sportline LE.

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Deutschland201 View Post
    Absolutely awesome. I bet you are having a lot of fun picking on those higher-horsepower money pits.
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    What higher hp money pits are you talking about?
    Last edited by 202brabus; 04-17-2014 at 10:48 AM.
    1986 201.034 "Berthilda" 5-speed, Evo II wheels 225/45/17, 400E front swaybar, 400e rear brakes
    1986 201.024 M104 engine, 5-speed Conversion, Updated LE trim console, 400E front sway bar, W202 springs, Limited slip Diff, 16v Steering box, 3" magnaflow exhaust system, 16v body kit, 16v Fuel tank, 16v Brake Booster, 400E calipers, MS2 3.57.
    1993 201.029 Sportline LE.

  3. Quote Originally Posted by 202brabus View Post
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    What higher hp money pits are you talking about?
    He is talking about the guys with newer 911 porsches and Shelby mustangs that show up at the track and get lapped by my little old 190e.
    Those guys buy the big horsepower car but are afraid to push it for fear of scratching their paint or getting chips.
    ....and the mustang guys with all their v8 power go fast for about 2 and a half laps until they boil their brakes & tires because they are driving overweight/ obeese pigs.
    MBZ independant tech since 1981 (numerous car projects)
    16v trackday toy https://forums.190rev.net/showthread....ck-day-project
    you tube channel https://www.youtube.com/user/benzracer9/videos

  4. Quote Originally Posted by LanEvo View Post
    Fantastic project! Will follow closely...

    I'd love it if you could give more details. Which wiring kit is this? What do you plan to do for gauges? Rewiring the car is my next big project, but I don't know where to start.
    Wiring the car is not hard at all. I think the most of the work is removing the factory system.
    The best way to approach it is to have a plan of what circuits you plan to keep, and what you plan to eliminate.
    In my case, I only wanted the minimum to keep the car street legal, so I still have lights,horn,wiper.

    The best place to start is to mount your fusebox. I chose the center console because it is easy access and all of my switches will also be in the center which keeps the wires short and light.

    Once you have mounted the fuse box, you can take "bundles" of wires and start sending them in the general area of the car that they will go. ie a dash bundle, a rear bundle for your lights and fuel pump, an engine compartment bundle, and a front light bundle.

    The only MBZ parts of the harness that I am re using are the lower engine harness that goes to the starter,oil press and oil level.....
    The original alternator harness is re useable too, and i also kept and shortened the ABS harness since I am keeping the ABS and running it to a switch that I can turn it off & on with.

    I really like the harness/fuse box kit from Rebel Wire company. I have installed dozens of them in the AC cobra replicas that I build at my shop and have never had any problems with them. They are "Made in the USA", and are very reasonably priced, and they are good quality & have a good instruction pack that comes with it.
    I use the 9+3 circuit harness as it is plenty with a few circuits to spare and it costs like $180 bucks.
    Here is a link to them, https://rebelwire.com/rebel-wire-prod...at=Wire%20Kits

    In addition to the harness/fuse box, I am eliminating the stock Mercedes headlight switch (heavy as a brick!), and plan to just use toggle switches for the lights & stuff they will be cheap, lights and easy to find replacements anywhere. You can also use a universal hot rod type headlight switch too if you want to remove the stock MBZ one.

    You will also want to get an assortment of convoluted tubing to protect the wiring. I get the stuff in bulk from McMaster Carr. They are like the ultimate hardware store and you can buy bulk stuff like that from them pretty reasonable.

    For my gauges, right now I am re using the stock ones, but eventually I will take my stock cluster and install a tach in the center with seperate oil pressure & water gauges from "speedhut". I use Speedhut gauges on my cobras also and they are great. Also a USA company and they will custom build a gauge to about any spec you can dream up. They have great customer service and do some really cool stuff. https://www.speedhut.com/

    One other note on the wiring, it helps to have the MBZ schematics for things like the instrument cluster, so you can see what wires are for the original indicator lights and stuff
    Hope this helps, but did not get too long.
    MBZ independant tech since 1981 (numerous car projects)
    16v trackday toy https://forums.190rev.net/showthread....ck-day-project
    you tube channel https://www.youtube.com/user/benzracer9/videos

  5. #25
    Nice!!

  6. #26
    Looks like a sweet project. Very similar to the path I plan to take, only the coilovers will have to wait a good while. I figure I will push the macpherson setup to its maximum before spending that much coin.

    Where are you located/ what tracks do you run at?


    Also, you have no cage? have you noticed any body flexing since removing the sunroof cassette? It is a structural unit, so you may want to eyeball the paint on the corners of the roof to see if its wrinkled at all...
    1985 190e 2.0 8v forged internals, 5spd MT, EFI, 16v interior, sportline exterior, working on the turbo header now

    1986 190e 2.3-16 Nam, 5spd MT, stripped to the bone, I swear I'll start building it into a track car soon, seriously.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by 2.3euro190 View Post
    Looks like a sweet project. Very similar to the path I plan to take, only the coilovers will have to wait a good while. I figure I will push the macpherson setup to its maximum before spending that much coin.

    Where are you located/ what tracks do you run at?


    Also, you have no cage? have you noticed any body flexing since removing the sunroof cassette? It is a structural unit, so you may want to eyeball the paint on the corners of the roof to see if its wrinkled at all...
    I'm in Kansas. I live about 10 minutes away from Heartland Park Topeka, a 2.5 mile road course. There are also Hallett, MAM, and Hastings all within a half a day of driving away.

    No body flex issues that I have noticed. The 190e A,B,C pillars are incredibly well built, but I do plan to eventually do a rollbar/minimal cage when I get around to lightening the body panels. My goal is to end up with a 2200 pound, street legal car.
    Back in the 90's my SCCA 190e had a min weight of 2550 with driver (I weigh 200 pounds),,,and many times I was almost too light and had ballast in that car, so I know 2200 will be doable,,,,hopefully even a bit lighter.
    MBZ independant tech since 1981 (numerous car projects)
    16v trackday toy https://forums.190rev.net/showthread....ck-day-project
    you tube channel https://www.youtube.com/user/benzracer9/videos

  8. A couple of more pics,

    Mounted a Volvo relay for a 2 speed cooling fan.


    Also mounted the Ford EDIS box, and started wiring it.
    MBZ independant tech since 1981 (numerous car projects)
    16v trackday toy https://forums.190rev.net/showthread....ck-day-project
    you tube channel https://www.youtube.com/user/benzracer9/videos

  9. #29
    Wow this is insane Man congrats!!!

    Sick thread thanks for sharing!!

    I particularly love your suspension and front bodykit well done!!
    1991 Mercedes 2.5-16s Evolution II (engine being rebuilt @ Vath and, later will be tuned @ ATEC)
    2013 Mercedes W166 ML bi-turbo 63amg -> V63S Vath, 680hp and 950 Nm, HRE tr45, Vath carbon fenders and interior, Brabus butterfly exhaust and Vath mid-pipes + center exhaust.

    https://mbworld.org/forums/ml55-amg-ml63-amg-w163-w164/514629-ml63-track-amg-academy.html

  10. Installed some simple switches today. These are lightweight, cheap, and easy to change if I ever need to replace one. Mounting the fuse box and switches in the center console also keeps the wires very short.

    MBZ independant tech since 1981 (numerous car projects)
    16v trackday toy https://forums.190rev.net/showthread....ck-day-project
    you tube channel https://www.youtube.com/user/benzracer9/videos

  11. #31

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  12. #32
    Thank you for posting this thread. I started my track 16v build a couple weeks ago, and you've given me several ideas. Keep em comin!!

  13. If you ever decide to sell the car, please let me know! =)

  14. #34
    wowow! excellent
    1993 190e 3.0

  15. I have not had the chance to touch the 190 for the past few weeks as I became very busy at work again,,,,,,,,,,, But it is looking like I may be able to spend some time on it this week end. I'll be sure to post pics of the progress.
    MBZ independant tech since 1981 (numerous car projects)
    16v trackday toy https://forums.190rev.net/showthread....ck-day-project
    you tube channel https://www.youtube.com/user/benzracer9/videos

  16. Nice work! Love the switches... Had to change a couple on my 16v and it was hard to find.

  17. Sorry I haven't posted much lately. I got swamped at work and also have been refreshing a 98 E430 sport for my daughter,,,,,,,
    so when I finally do have a little time off, I am just too tired or burned out to go back to the shop and work on the 190.

    I did manage to make an aluminum panel for the firewall to close the big hole from the A/C removal.


    I also started to run new brake lines to go into the car towards the relocated ABS unit.


    MBZ independant tech since 1981 (numerous car projects)
    16v trackday toy https://forums.190rev.net/showthread....ck-day-project
    you tube channel https://www.youtube.com/user/benzracer9/videos

  18. #38
    Great project! I was wondering what you did to fill the hole after you removed the sunroof assembly? Is there a lightweight panel available or have you made your own?

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Gqlite View Post
    Great project! I was wondering what you did to fill the hole after you removed the sunroof assembly? Is there a lightweight panel available or have you made your own?
    I'm going to make a new panel out of.035 6061 T6 Aluminum sheet with a few ribs in it to keep it from vibrating Will post pics of it when I have it done.
    I haven't had a chance to even touch the car in weeks again, and finally took a day off today from work.
    MBZ independant tech since 1981 (numerous car projects)
    16v trackday toy https://forums.190rev.net/showthread....ck-day-project
    you tube channel https://www.youtube.com/user/benzracer9/videos

  20. Yeah, I know it has been a while,,,,,,but I'm sure you guys can all relate with this.
    You make some progress on a project- then "life" happens and you don't touch it for months!

    I've been working 70 plus hour weeks for a few months, so by the time Sunday comes around, I am just too pooped to even think about workin on my own stuff.

    Today I decided to at least do ONE THING on my own car once a week, to get it closer to finished.

    I happen to have an identical engine to mine on one of my engine stands (for a customer car) and used it to mock up & fab my mount for the crank sensor.
    I know some of you have access to laser & water jet machines, and use CAD to design stuff,,,,,,,
    here in Kansas I use the "OOF" system,,,,,(old oil filter" box).

    I eyeballed up a quick template and copied it onto a piece of scrap steel I had sitting around. Not bad for a little over an hour of work.
    It's simple, strong and will work fine.....Here's a couple of pics.





    MBZ independant tech since 1981 (numerous car projects)
    16v trackday toy https://forums.190rev.net/showthread....ck-day-project
    you tube channel https://www.youtube.com/user/benzracer9/videos

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