Where is my stuff ... Newbenz2 ( kevin konchan )

[2.3euro190]

i sent james16v some money for swaybars, and nothing. this was a while ago. he hs not responded to email or pm. he hasnt even been on the forums. im wondering if hes still alive...

[Robstibz]

That's bullsh*t. What's even more bullsh*t is that he calls you the first time you started the thread, makes some promises, then bails again. I know he called again and said he's gonna ship it again, but F that...just out of principle. I would demand a refund...and interest on top of it.

I've sold lots of miscellaneous stuff online via forums, ebay, and amazon.... there's been several instances where I just got too busy to package/ship something after I received the money. It took a 2-3 days tops but I just refunded the money and said sorry, I couldn't fulfill the order within a reasonable time frame.

[DBMO]

That's bullsh*t. What's even more bullsh*t is that he calls you the first time you started the thread, makes some promises, then bails again. I know he called again and said he's gonna ship it again, but F that...just out of principle. I would demand a refund...and if you know where he stays, interest on top of it.

I've sold lots of miscellaneous stuff online via forums, ebay, and amazon.... there's been several instances where I just got too busy to package/ship something after I received the money. It took a 2-3 days tops but I just refunded the money and said sorry, I couldn't fulfill the order within a reasonable time frame.

Everytime i hear anything from Kevin, I hear "Next week". My shits supposdly been in boxes for 7 months ready to ship.
Ive even given him the option of a refund. Doesnt seem to work.
If he is starting a shop, hes already fucked up customer relations on here. People remember the bad over the good when it comes to reputations.
Hopefully he sends me my money or my parts this time! And hopefully there worth a shit!

[16V4NRBRGR]

And hopefully there worth a shit!

That's a good point, an example being two engaged threads for the strut shaft nuts on his camber plates. Easy to install in under an hour, and presto! unsafe car! hooray!

[Robstibz]

Yea that really sucks.

+1 for the sticky about good/bad buyers/sellers

[Cdn190er]

the problem with a good Rev seller vrs a bad Rev seller section is simple, Rev isn't a selling forum and any members that buy and sell do so at their own risk. I have been on the bad side of a few Rev members that ran with the money so I do feel for you.

[ship]

I've lost a lot of money through this forum, but I've also gotten some really good deals on impossible to find parts for our cars.

It really is a buy at your own risk kinda thing with used car stuff, but I would feel better about buying things if the seller at least had a reference from another member.

Everytime I sell something on here, I list the people I've sold to or bought from recently to help put the potential buyer's mind at ease

just my .02 but I understand why the rev can't endorse buyers or sellers or any deals for their own protection.

[DBMO]

I've lost a lot of money through this forum, but I've also gotten some really good deals on impossible to find parts for our cars.

It really is a buy at your own risk kinda thing with used car stuff, but I would feel better about buying things if the seller at least had a reference from another member.

Everytime I sell something on here, I list the people I've sold to or bought from recently to help put the potential buyer's mind at ease

just my .02 but I understand why the rev can't endorse buyers or sellers or any deals for their own protection.

I agree with the above statment,
Internet shopping is always a risk. But theres no better place to find that one part or piece of info!
I dont think the Rev needs to get involved with policing buying and selling on here. But, a section just for posting the ups and downs with dealing with a member might be nice. It might help with keeping the motivation up with completing a deal. That way another thread like this one doesnt show up again! There really was no need for this thread to go this far. But when theres money involved, things tend to get ugly.

[16V4NRBRGR]

One easy way to provide customer feedback would be to simply use a quick reply on the for sale thread thanking for the satisfactorily completed transaction, or complaining about a bad transaction, and extreme cases like this definitely deserve their own thread out of the for sale section in the main forum so that the record stands forever and doesn't time-out.

[Cdn190er]

posting the comments about bad sales is better served in GM for the simple fact everyone sees it, or would be more willing to view it, just to see what all the whining is about. I am pretty sure any constant/steady Rev visitor is more than aware of what's going on. But hiding it in the sales or it's own section would involve someone actually having to go look (which would be good for the snide didn't you look in the " I told you so thread" later.

[mercs dude]

bump for people to read

Disappearing with money in hand is theft.

Geez what the heck is going on? This reminds me of the time a bunch of us got fucked on an exhaust group buy like 5 years ago. $170 bucks down the drain. He got like 20+ dudes to jump in on it. Killed the Rev and group buy have been plagued ever since.

...we could definitely use a feedback section on here for buyers and sellers

An effective tactic when issues like this come up on other forums has been to sticky this type of thread in the for sale section. It seems to magically expedite the issue.

I vote for creating a thread so we post feedback on who is legit and who is screwing people around here. There maybe one or two of those people closing deals on this forum right now and taking money that members may never get back.

+1 ftw

Yea that really sucks.

+1 for the sticky about good/bad buyers/sellers

... but I would feel better about buying things if the seller at least had a reference from another member.

Everytime I sell something on here, I list the people I've sold to or bought from recently to help put the potential buyer's mind at ease

just my .02 but I understand why the rev can't endorse buyers or sellers or any deals for their own protection.

...I dont think the Rev needs to get involved with policing buying and selling on here. But, a section just for posting the ups and downs with dealing with a member might be nice. It might help with keeping the motivation up with completing a deal. That way another thread like this one doesnt show up again! There really was no need for this thread to go this far. But when theres money involved, things tend to get ugly.

posting the comments about bad sales is better served in GM for the simple fact everyone sees it, or would be more willing to view it, just to see what all the whining is about. I am pretty sure any constant/steady Rev visitor is more than aware of what's going on. But hiding it in the sales or it's own section would involve someone actually having to go look (which would be good for the snide didn't you look in the " I told you so thread" later.

So, do we somehow agree in creating a thread were people would just chip in and drop a comment about a good/bad business deal or how pleasant/or not was the experience with this or that member of the forum? That would also give the other party a chance to express his point of view, who knows, there might be a good explanation (I can't think of one right now, however) as to why they have kept some one else's money for months without fulfilling their side of the deal.

I work up to 120 hours a week, day or night, and I have never hang on to some one else's money for that long. Sure it took me two days to drop the box at the post office, but that was it.

The problem I see with people taking avantage of others here is that, even though this forum doesn't endorse anyone and everyone buys at their own risk, it dimishes trust among members, and without trust, there's not much left.

[mercs dude]

This is what Im talking about. This guy is trying to get his parts with no response from the seller. He did write everything on the original thread, but no one really sees it unless they're interested in the same thing.

https://190rev.net/forums/showthread....347#post436112

[ship]

brings about the same problem as people not searching before asking.. although I usually check out a member's threads before paypalling them anything, just to see if they're full of it

[veedubfreak86]

brings about the same problem as people not searching before asking.. although I usually check out a member's threads before paypalling them anything, just to see if they're full of it

Research :) i look into some ones profile posts/threads before I do any business with them to check there creditability

[MTI]

Here's some random thoughts . . .

- As Cdn said, we're an enthusiasts forum, not eBay. The buy/sell section is sort of a convenience to forum users, not the reason why 190Rev exists. We sure don't make any money off of it, but seem to have to deal with a modest amount of pissed off folks.

- Caveat emptor applies. It's written all over the place in the forum and hope members take the time to read the FAQ to the Connect forum as well as all the other forums.

- Search and do your "due diligence." There's a reason why we don't allow members without at least 10 posts to start a buy or sell thread . . . it gives everyone else a fair chance to see if the member is someone you want to do business with. Craigslist doesn't do that, for sure. However, any member here can do a search on another member's other posts and for threads where that member is mentioned by username. While not foolproof, it's a tool available to check a users history.

- Be wary of group buys. Old timers here know this by heart. Countless group buys crash and burn, which is pretty sad and discouraging for the few that actually go through. I've been in the middle of at least three or four group buys gone sour and it is one of the least favorite things about having this job. From poor quality to outright theft, there's so many ways for a group buy to go wrong, that it's amazing that the few that do go through make it that far.

- For those that sell or buy from the forum, how about leaving a message about the deal in the thread that started the sale? At the very least, sellers, let us know when the sale is completed so the thread can be closed . . . which by default would indicate a good transaction.

[DBMO]

This is the last time I post in this thread. Its been almost a month and still no word or parts since this was brought back up. Im taking this as a loss. Guess I have lost more money at the casino before! ha ha

[mercs dude]

This is the last time I post in this thread. Its been almost a month and still no word or parts since this was brought back up. Im taking this as a loss. Guess I have lost more money at the casino before! ha ha

Sorry to hear that man.

[veedubfreak86]

yeah been contacted a few times saying the stuff was ready to mail and nothing i have consedered it a lose for the last year but was told to start this thread in hopes to help but it didnt :S

[ship]

okay, its been months since I've talked to three different sellers on here about parts...

newbenz cost me 1000.00 usd in storage, shipping, and purchase price of parts that can not be installed and he didn't mention that at all.

I've never flamed anyone on the rev but damn, 1000.00!! thats a lot of money and I can't even get a phone call back, I waited for six months for him to send me a body kit that is completely fajangled and he couldnt even tell me it couldnt be installed?? did he think I wanted a 1000 dollar paperweight, or a funny story about how I got ripped off on the internet.

I dont get it, I would never screw over another car guy let alone another revhead.. next time I buy something, Im asking for references.

[DBMO]

I wasnt sure what to expect when I saw this thread back up on the home page, I wasnt expecting this though!
Damn, Ship! That fuckin sucks!