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    My 190 build

    I should have started this about a year ago...
    So, about a year ago I bought a '86 cossie. The 190e has always been my dream car. The car ran and drove, it ran rough and had fuel leaks and a million other problems. I did a complete tear down and deemed the car a loss or just to expensive to drive safely so I scrapped it. Just before I said goodbye the the quartered shell, I picked up a pretty clean champagne color '86 190e 2.3. This car I bought as non running but the chassis was not rotten and didn't have holes in it large enough for a person to fall through.
    So at the time I thought I'll just swap all the cossie stuff to the 2.3 and call it a day but I found a 300se motor for cheap and around the same time learned about turbobandit (I've always wanted to turbocharge a car) and he specializes in m103/4. So I picked it up and tried to fit it in my car and it didn't go.
    I'll post pictures and more details later on, I just wanted to get this thing started.
    Maxim

    One of the problem areas on the old cossie



    Having a little fun/learning to drive M/T

    Last edited by Maximb; 01-23-2017 at 09:14 AM. Reason: More stuff

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    so are you selling some of the 2.3 16v engine related parts?

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    hahah sorry to drop my inquiry like that. I am interested in your build also actually,sound fun. But whats the plan with the 16v, if your not selling the 16v stuff. Why dont you rebuild it, ad EFI and turbo that instead.

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    300SE motor didn't go???

    you will need the front radiator support clip off a 2.6 6cyl to allow more room. The radiator sits right under the core support.
    Be prepared to use low profile fans take a look at a 190E 2.6 and get an idea of how far forward the motor sits in relation to the cooling system.

    Everything fits you just need to take a look at what modifications need to be done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5thscaleracer View Post
    300SE motor didn't go???

    you will need the front radiator support clip off a 2.6 6cyl to allow more room. The radiator sits right under the core support.
    Be prepared to use low profile fans take a look at a 190E 2.6 and get an idea of how far forward the motor sits in relation to the cooling system.

    Everything fits you just need to take a look at what modifications need to be done.
    I cut the rad support for easy engine removal with trans and front shaft attached (I'll get around to making brackets or something to make it removable).
    Another thing. The engine is from a w140 so the engine mounts were different.
    I think I used w124 m104 mounts they're shorter. I'll post pics comparing the two
    The oil pan was different you'd need a w124 oil pan
    The motor also had a different oil pick up pipe. The pipe doesn't match the w124 oil pump. The whole thing needs to be replaced.
    After changing the pan the oil dipstick was too long, that was trimmed about an inch or more.
    After all that the engine fit
    Then the transmission 717.404 didn't line up with any existing holes.
    When I had the m104.983? 16v motor with that trans, there were holes there but no nuts. I shaved a wrench to fit in the hole and carefully got a nut +washer (I put a small drop of super glue on nut to keep washer attached.
    But now with new engine the holes don't line up at all. I see there's a dimple on the tunnel mount but I don't want to drill through that yet.
    Does anyone know if there is another engine mount arm I can use that will move the engine a couple cm forward or back. I remember see a post on here about 2 almost identical 103/104 mounts but one was more offset.
    The way I have it now, I test fit the 2.3-16 driveshaft and I think it fit nicely.
    Maxim

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    Quote Originally Posted by merckrest View Post
    hahah sorry to drop my inquiry like that. I am interested in your build also actually,sound fun. But whats the plan with the 16v, if your not selling the 16v stuff. Why dont you rebuild it, ad EFI and turbo that instead.
    I wanted to do that, turbo the 16v but there was no aftermarket support. But it's coming up now, I see a few people designing a complete efi kit and turbo kit. So we'll see where that goes. I just think a inline 6 will always be better.
    I took the head off my m104 with 230,000km and the cylinder walls look fresh from the factory

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    you need to use the 2.6 190's engine mount arms
    1984 2.3 8v Lorinser - Drift/track competition - "Grønne Pige"
    1984 2.3-16 ECE 5-Speed - Sent to Graveyard - "Steve"
    1985 2.3-16 ECE 5-Speed - Daily - "Darkwing"
    1986 2.3-16 NAM 5-Speed - Donor - "Rusty Trumpet"
    1986 2.3-16 NAM Auto - Basket Case - "Phönix"
    1987 2.3-16 NAM VEMS EFI 5-Speed - Track/Canyon - "Dimples"

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    Second photo in post 6
    http://forums.190rev.net/showthread....04-Megasquirt)
    Shows very similar arms.
    I believe the ones I have are from a w201 with m103 engine

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    Pics! Sorry for bad photo skill

    My first cossie

    My first 8v

    M104 with 717.44

    Head off

    Stripping interior
    Last edited by Maximb; 01-22-2017 at 02:45 PM. Reason: Fixed photo links

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    Don't use hose for fuel leaks

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    Making a template to block of the place where heater and a/c drain used to be



    Sheets cut out



    Test fit



    Next is paint, drill holes, deburr, fay seal, wet install fasteners, fillet seal
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    The engine mount arms that came with the engine are
    603 223 5204 / 603 223 5304 this is for w140 300ce I think
    The arms that I got off a w124 m103*
    103 223 13 04 / R 103 223 14 04

    Huge difference in size. When I first got the correct mounts, during installation I was very excited and installed the passenger side mount upside down... and thought damn I got the wrong one again or something.
    Last edited by Maximb; 01-23-2017 at 10:04 AM. Reason: 103*

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    nicely done! say, what did you use to get the sound deadening and glue off the shell during stripping? dry ice did not work for mine, it only made it stronger! i ended up using a heat gun and xylene for the glue.
    1984 2.3 8v Lorinser - Drift/track competition - "Grønne Pige"
    1984 2.3-16 ECE 5-Speed - Sent to Graveyard - "Steve"
    1985 2.3-16 ECE 5-Speed - Daily - "Darkwing"
    1986 2.3-16 NAM 5-Speed - Donor - "Rusty Trumpet"
    1986 2.3-16 NAM Auto - Basket Case - "Phönix"
    1987 2.3-16 NAM VEMS EFI 5-Speed - Track/Canyon - "Dimples"

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    Quote Originally Posted by secretmachine View Post
    nicely done! say, what did you use to get the sound deadening and glue off the shell during stripping? dry ice did not work for mine, it only made it stronger! i ended up using a heat gun and xylene for the glue.
    Xylene works good but I liked how mineral spirit didn't leave any film residue.
    I used shaver blades (not for the face the kind for wood), plastic scrapers, chisels amd hammer. Sometimes pads on a drill. For the glue I used varsol at first then switched to mineral spirit with microfiber cloth and plastic scrapers.
    It took me about a week. I probably have a few more days to go
    Last edited by Maximb; 01-23-2017 at 10:05 AM.

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    Finished the two block off plates.
    I used 3003 aluminum I think it's 18ga. It's a nice easy to work with metal.
    For fasteners I used hi lites, sealant is b2 fuel tank sealant.
    After each hole was drilled I placed a clecos to clamp the material so bulging doesn't occur.

    Test fitting


    Holes drilled and held by clecos


    Sealant applied to both surfaces


    finished... It's messy but works. I'll add paint touch up eventually


    Other side


    I still have 2 holes to plug. I'll get around that eventually

    Next is finding a spot to mount this thing, I have one in mind

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    Thoughts on the mounting location of ms?



    The standoffs are threaded and just need two small rivets each to hold in place. I can use different lengths but I thought this one would give me enough clearance and I can still keep the cabin airtight by not using self tapping screws

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    Just a small update today.
    Interior as of now


    Subframe removed


    And just a comparison of the 8v vs 16v diff

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    Got a good birthday gift from family today
    Ready to go fast


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    SA? oh yeah, it's gonna be track time soon!
    1984 2.3 8v Lorinser - Drift/track competition - "Grønne Pige"
    1984 2.3-16 ECE 5-Speed - Sent to Graveyard - "Steve"
    1985 2.3-16 ECE 5-Speed - Daily - "Darkwing"
    1986 2.3-16 NAM 5-Speed - Donor - "Rusty Trumpet"
    1986 2.3-16 NAM Auto - Basket Case - "Phönix"
    1987 2.3-16 NAM VEMS EFI 5-Speed - Track/Canyon - "Dimples"

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    Quote Originally Posted by secretmachine View Post
    sa? Oh yeah, it's gonna be track time soon!
    sa2015

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