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    190e built for Golden Gate Drift Pro Am

    I'm thinking out a build of which I have been dreaming. A drift competition 190e to take on the local Pro Am. If I podium at the end of 5 rounds. I'll get a license to compete in Formula Drift Pro 2!

    I've already been drifting for 7 years, so it's time for some power and to get serious!

    The initial engine is going to be a 104.980. I've been having my hands in a few 104.992's but I decided to go with a .980 for myself. The short goal is to find a shell, preferably diesel, and plop the engine in it and use a lot of the suspension/brake/transmission goodies I have stored up. I'll get it running on its CIS v5 first and then get Dkubus' FrankenCIS. The path is drivability first, then control over CIS and tunability, Arriving at a turbo down the road.




    In the background I'll be tracking down/building out a standalone and trans combo for this bad boy for when stuff goes FD Pro 2... a 2001 CL55 AMG's M113 V8! Take your LS swapped 240sx and shove it up your ass. May the 190, v8 and drift gods smile upon me!



    Last edited by secretmachine; 04-25-2016 at 09:56 PM. Reason: fixing picture links
    1984 2.3 8v Lorinser - Drift/track competition - "Grønne Pige"
    1984 2.3-16 ECE 5-Speed - Sent to Graveyard - "Steve"
    1985 2.3-16 ECE 5-Speed - Daily - "Darkwing"
    1986 2.3-16 NAM 5-Speed - Donor - "Rusty Trumpet"
    1986 2.3-16 NAM Auto - Basket Case - "Phönix"
    1987 2.3-16 NAM VEMS EFI 5-Speed - Track/Canyon - "Dimples"

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    The c300 m112 trans should bolt up and its the GL400. May be strong. May be not... but its the easiest bolt up option so why not?

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    Wheres the air filter box?
    1986 201.034 "Berthilda" 5-speed, Evo II wheels 225/45/17, 400E front swaybar, 400e rear brakes
    1986 201.024 M104 engine, 5-speed Conversion, Updated LE trim console, 400E front sway bar, W202 springs, Limited slip Diff, 16v Steering box, 3" magnaflow exhaust system, 16v body kit, 16v Fuel tank, 16v Brake Booster, 400E calipers, MS2 3.57.
    1993 201.029 Sportline LE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAG58 View Post
    The c300 m112 trans should bolt up and its the GL400. May be strong. May be not... but its the easiest bolt up option so why not?
    I'll be using the "same" thing but at a huge price difference; the chrysler crossfire. Just finding a dismantled car right now so I can get all the pieces; flywheel, gear selector etc. Already have the driveshaft.

    Quote Originally Posted by 202brabus View Post
    Wheres the air filter box?
    Wasnt there and neither was the ecu. So that's why standalone is going to happen.
    1984 2.3 8v Lorinser - Drift/track competition - "Grønne Pige"
    1984 2.3-16 ECE 5-Speed - Sent to Graveyard - "Steve"
    1985 2.3-16 ECE 5-Speed - Daily - "Darkwing"
    1986 2.3-16 NAM 5-Speed - Donor - "Rusty Trumpet"
    1986 2.3-16 NAM Auto - Basket Case - "Phönix"
    1987 2.3-16 NAM VEMS EFI 5-Speed - Track/Canyon - "Dimples"

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    Cool. Itll be interesting to see how it holds up.

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    from what i've been reading in the chrysler forum for the guys that have v8 swapped them, they've held up. but that's the street not drift competition, so if something's gonna break I'll find out for sure lol.
    1984 2.3 8v Lorinser - Drift/track competition - "Grønne Pige"
    1984 2.3-16 ECE 5-Speed - Sent to Graveyard - "Steve"
    1985 2.3-16 ECE 5-Speed - Daily - "Darkwing"
    1986 2.3-16 NAM 5-Speed - Donor - "Rusty Trumpet"
    1986 2.3-16 NAM Auto - Basket Case - "Phönix"
    1987 2.3-16 NAM VEMS EFI 5-Speed - Track/Canyon - "Dimples"

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    Transmission has been found! I will be picking it up from Sacremento soon! Pics to follow upon acquisition.
    1984 2.3 8v Lorinser - Drift/track competition - "Grønne Pige"
    1984 2.3-16 ECE 5-Speed - Sent to Graveyard - "Steve"
    1985 2.3-16 ECE 5-Speed - Daily - "Darkwing"
    1986 2.3-16 NAM 5-Speed - Donor - "Rusty Trumpet"
    1986 2.3-16 NAM Auto - Basket Case - "Phönix"
    1987 2.3-16 NAM VEMS EFI 5-Speed - Track/Canyon - "Dimples"

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    homeward bound!

    1984 2.3 8v Lorinser - Drift/track competition - "Grønne Pige"
    1984 2.3-16 ECE 5-Speed - Sent to Graveyard - "Steve"
    1985 2.3-16 ECE 5-Speed - Daily - "Darkwing"
    1986 2.3-16 NAM 5-Speed - Donor - "Rusty Trumpet"
    1986 2.3-16 NAM Auto - Basket Case - "Phönix"
    1987 2.3-16 NAM VEMS EFI 5-Speed - Track/Canyon - "Dimples"

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    I've heard that shoe-horning a v8 into a 201 chassis conflicts with the stock steering box.

    Are you going to convert to a VW rack/pinion when you swap?

    I have a FrankenCIS unit and a couple other Aussie goodies I want to sell... Fwiw :)

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    Frankencis??? Dpr valve only or he whole chingaderra?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattmon View Post
    I've heard that shoe-horning a v8 into a 201 chassis conflicts with the stock steering box.

    Are you going to convert to a VW rack/pinion when you swap?

    I have a FrankenCIS unit and a couple other Aussie goodies I want to sell... Fwiw :)
    The m113 is very small, it isn't like the m119 or 117, so shoehorn is not quite an accurate way to describe how it fits. as far as the steering box, i have no idea if it will hit or not but whatever happens, it will be in this thread.
    1984 2.3 8v Lorinser - Drift/track competition - "Grønne Pige"
    1984 2.3-16 ECE 5-Speed - Sent to Graveyard - "Steve"
    1985 2.3-16 ECE 5-Speed - Daily - "Darkwing"
    1986 2.3-16 NAM 5-Speed - Donor - "Rusty Trumpet"
    1986 2.3-16 NAM Auto - Basket Case - "Phönix"
    1987 2.3-16 NAM VEMS EFI 5-Speed - Track/Canyon - "Dimples"

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    A MK2 VW manual rack with Quaife quick ratio kit, lock-to-lock, is only 2.8 turns.

    Would make a pretty nice setup for a track car, imho

    Whatever you end up doing... Can't wait to see pics!
    Last edited by mattmon; 01-21-2016 at 08:22 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattmon View Post
    A MK2 VW manual rack with Quaife quick ratio kit, lock-to-lock, is only 2.8 turns.

    Would make a pretty nice setup for a track car, imho

    Whatever you end up doing... Can't wait to see pics!
    I'm not a huge drifting guy, but I would assume you're going to want to convert to a long-throw rack and pinion like the Nissans and such anyhow correct? So you can get maximum steering lock? Quick ratio is great and all, but you'll need the extra steering angle for serious drifting from what I've read.
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    if i can, i'd prefer to keep the recirculating ball. to get the angle needed with it, you'd need to:

    - shorten the steering arm that is attached to the knuckle, in for the angle and down for bump correction. i could also use a stud to heim adapter and spacers like beatbox did for the bump correction. that would make modification to the arm easier.
    - make extended control arms and your own tie-rods to match it using rod ends and sleeves
    - cut the inner fender well out for wheel clearance. a common practice with drift cars

    for the steering, i'd like to design something that reduces the ackerman. the different radii that the front wheels follow for a turn cause them to fight each other at full lock. the inside front wheel to the turn on these cars scrub while in a drift at full lock. it is a big problem. it makes the wheels wobble around, front end shudders and the steering shakes around.

    the caster tilt is also a problem but not as big of one. in the case of drifting, it makes the inside wheel ride its inside edge and the outside wheel ride its outside edge, and so the contact patch is reduced instead of being enhanced like it would while taking a turn normally. i never felt this was a problem until my last event at sonoma, where the slick track conditions combined with this effect in the steering created a lot of understeer on drift entry.

    you can see what i mean in this picture, the inside wheel to the drift is on its very inside edge of the tire:


    another example but from the outside:
    Last edited by secretmachine; 03-22-2016 at 07:26 PM. Reason: correction to the steering arm mods needed
    1984 2.3 8v Lorinser - Drift/track competition - "Grønne Pige"
    1984 2.3-16 ECE 5-Speed - Sent to Graveyard - "Steve"
    1985 2.3-16 ECE 5-Speed - Daily - "Darkwing"
    1986 2.3-16 NAM 5-Speed - Donor - "Rusty Trumpet"
    1986 2.3-16 NAM Auto - Basket Case - "Phönix"
    1987 2.3-16 NAM VEMS EFI 5-Speed - Track/Canyon - "Dimples"

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    Are you still going to swap in the m104 first? Or jump straight to the m113?

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    Yay another m104.980 swap? Or wait, is it a v8 swap?

    Interested in this FrankenCIS business, but their site and information leaves something to be desired.

    -Blake
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    -1989 190E 3.0 5SPD - Resto-Mod, euro lights w/ smoked corners, leather steering wheel, 16v Recaro's front and rear, 16v rear wing, AMG monoblock II's, rear headrests, '93 console w/euro cubby, Apline head, custom trunk audio setup that holds 10" Earthquake sub w/ planet audio 700 watt 5 channel amp.

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    Still a lot to do.

    The 104.980 ran by frankenCIS is still first up as it is more ready to drop in a shell to get a car going. The whole shebang for frankenCIS is about $835.77, a super deal.

    I still need to test fit the v8 and see what needs to change.
    What I know so far, driveshaft and coupling needs modification.
    Shifter needs adaptation into the w201.
    I'll need an engine management solution, currently looking to FuelTech FT500 with bundled v8 pro harness - http://www.fueltech.net/ft500-efi-prod-166.html
    Once setup I'll need a tune - Fueltech can come out to you and tune remotely, a great value.
    I also need to cage the car to pass the rules for tandem etc.
    I don't know if the stock steering box will clear, but Dicky Cullen kept his stock steering box with his LS swap 190, so here's hoping.
    1984 2.3 8v Lorinser - Drift/track competition - "Grønne Pige"
    1984 2.3-16 ECE 5-Speed - Sent to Graveyard - "Steve"
    1985 2.3-16 ECE 5-Speed - Daily - "Darkwing"
    1986 2.3-16 NAM 5-Speed - Donor - "Rusty Trumpet"
    1986 2.3-16 NAM Auto - Basket Case - "Phönix"
    1987 2.3-16 NAM VEMS EFI 5-Speed - Track/Canyon - "Dimples"

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    Looks like a great project. Thanks for the pics :)

    Why Franken CIS vs aftermarket EFI / megasquirt? Already have more CIS parts in the bin ready to go? Lol
    1993 190e 3.0

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    I think we'd all like your report on the FrankenCIS when you get it all tuned up. Also, how does smog and registration work with a project like this? Will it still be street legal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by leftyflyer View Post
    Will it still be street legal?
    i don't think it will be. in order for an engine swap to get refereed in CA, I'd need to keep all emission equipment, not really a big deal, but I'd also have to use the stock ecu, which means I would need the keys for the car, ignition, dash, auto trans and trans computer, esp/abs computer etc. not much of that stuff was available from the car from which i took the engine. standalone engine management places me outside the law in CA. so the car shall be a full on track focused build.

    In other news, another step forward was made for the 104.980 path. I found a nice slk230 in the junkyard. it is a manual 6-speed, so the bolt pattern matches m102/3/4 and many of the OM60x engines. very excited to find one of these.

    For my future reference, this is the slk's info
    WDBKK49F11F197338
    engine: 111.983
    trans: 716.630
    1984 2.3 8v Lorinser - Drift/track competition - "Grønne Pige"
    1984 2.3-16 ECE 5-Speed - Sent to Graveyard - "Steve"
    1985 2.3-16 ECE 5-Speed - Daily - "Darkwing"
    1986 2.3-16 NAM 5-Speed - Donor - "Rusty Trumpet"
    1986 2.3-16 NAM Auto - Basket Case - "Phönix"
    1987 2.3-16 NAM VEMS EFI 5-Speed - Track/Canyon - "Dimples"

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