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  1. #81

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    It isn't so, I survived a bad spell and no longer have to sacrifice this build. I may still sell the evo kit as the goal may change with the width, the evo may be harder to make as wide as I need than I thought, we'll see after SEMA.
    1984 2.3 8v Lorinser - Drift/track competition - "Grønne Pige"
    1984 2.3-16 ECE 5-Speed - Sent to Graveyard - "Steve"
    1985 2.3-16 ECE 5-Speed - Daily - "Darkwing"
    1986 2.3-16 NAM 5-Speed - Donor - "Rusty Trumpet"
    1986 2.3-16 NAM Auto - Basket Case - "Phönix"
    1987 2.3-16 NAM VEMS EFI 5-Speed - Track/Canyon - "Dimples"

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    Awesome Build! Thank you for posting this all up! Any new updates?

    I'm looking to swap a m113 with a E36 M3 5 speed trans in the near future. Two of my main concerns are the W210 steering rack mounting and the engine mounts...

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    hey man, glad it's been useful. there are some updates coming :)

    gotta warn you though, w210 rack is too wide, i don't know where folks keep hearing that this is a good rack to use in a w201. the nature of the macpherson setup is that whatever the width of the rack is, you have to move the control arms around to have the LCA's pivot match where the rack places the inner tierod pivots. if you dont, your steering will not work correctly and will have wild amounts of bumpsteer. the width of the space to work with between the LCA's is 24.9" at the front pivot, 25.1" at the rear pivot. it is on a slight angle away from parallel to the center. the rack's pivot ends must fall within that width or move the LCA to meet it, which you can do but the material there is limited.

    essentially, in order to do my steering rack and keep the car rear steer, i have to engineer new LCA's to allow the tierod to move within the same plane that the LCA's pivots are on, and allow it to work with my angle and ackerman modifications to the knuckle. i'm too deep to stop, though the advice I would give now to anyone who is about to go down this path, is dont do the steering like me. it is much less fabrication work to instead convert the car with a front steer rack, fabricate new knuckle steering arms, and use a rear sumped m113.
    1984 2.3 8v Lorinser - Drift/track competition - "Grønne Pige"
    1984 2.3-16 ECE 5-Speed - Sent to Graveyard - "Steve"
    1985 2.3-16 ECE 5-Speed - Daily - "Darkwing"
    1986 2.3-16 NAM 5-Speed - Donor - "Rusty Trumpet"
    1986 2.3-16 NAM Auto - Basket Case - "Phönix"
    1987 2.3-16 NAM VEMS EFI 5-Speed - Track/Canyon - "Dimples"

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    Thank you for the reply! :)

    I see.. I believe its because on some forums a couple V8 swappers used them. Its not the correct way but it worked. Haha... What are your thoughts on using a E36 Steering rack (146mm travel)? I haven't measured it yet.. but looks about the same width as the w201 steering center drag link.. maybe with some fab it might work?
    Last edited by Alreck; 01-29-2019 at 06:13 PM.

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    i've seen one in ukraine that swapped the whole front subframe from an e55, but with that, you also change all the pickup points. the other's i've seen quit or disappeared after "finishing" it, which makes me think they hit the bumpsteer problem. one of them was very dangerous, they chose to move the steering box downward, but not the idler arm on the other side! you know that car is a paperweight until they go back and fix it.

    you gotta be wider than the center link, the swingset is thin and its geometry is very unique as the set gains and losses height in the swing as the inners move in their circular sweep. this geo will not work with a rack. you gotta aim for the LCA pivot plane. if rear steer, you'll need to be right on or in (cut up) into the crossmember so that your tierods don't over-center at lock. this article set should help with the idea of what needs to be done, it's hard to explain without pictures - https://motoiq.com/the-ultimate-guid...eer-toe-steer/

    e46 and maybe e92 is more of what you might want to find ;p front steer has more clearance to be on the LCA plane, as long as your oil pan isnt in the way.
    1984 2.3 8v Lorinser - Drift/track competition - "Grønne Pige"
    1984 2.3-16 ECE 5-Speed - Sent to Graveyard - "Steve"
    1985 2.3-16 ECE 5-Speed - Daily - "Darkwing"
    1986 2.3-16 NAM 5-Speed - Donor - "Rusty Trumpet"
    1986 2.3-16 NAM Auto - Basket Case - "Phönix"
    1987 2.3-16 NAM VEMS EFI 5-Speed - Track/Canyon - "Dimples"

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