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  1. #81

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    just buy a setup from JC, it will work for your project. don't mess around with specs crap
    1984 2.3 8v Lorinser - Drift/track competition - "Grønne Pige"
    1984 2.3-16 ECE 5-Speed - Sent to Graveyard - "Steve"
    1985 2.3-16 ECE 5-Speed - Daily - "Darkwing"
    1986 2.3-16 NAM 5-Speed - Donor - "Rusty Trumpet"
    1986 2.3-16 NAM Auto - Basket Case - "Phönix"
    1987 2.3-16 NAM VEMS EFI 5-Speed - Track/Canyon - "Dimples"

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    I can't supply them at this time.. The mfg in CANADA that supplies me with diaphragms is out of business so we are SOL until I find a supplier that can supply a quality product.

    So far I have been receiving nothing but crap samples

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    The clutch guy I talked to today said the same thing. Nobody makes decent parts for the clutches, diaphragms or straps. He said rebuilding the stock pp combined with a good disc should be okay.
    84 8v 5 speed ---- 93 2.6 auto ---- 1.8t swapped Audi Fox ---- 02 Lifted Discovery II

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5thscaleracer View Post
    I can't supply them at this time.. The mfg in CANADA that supplies me with diaphragms is out of business so we are SOL until I find a supplier that can supply a quality product.

    So far I have been receiving nothing but crap samples
    If you don't mind me asking, what company was it? Oeqf? ... I just so happen to have worked in the friction industry up here... I also know where the people in the companies that went bankrupt went and they would know where this stuff comes from.

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    It was a division of Miba in Canada which was closed down

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5thscaleracer View Post
    i can't supply them at this time.. The mfg in canada that supplies me with diaphragms is out of business so we are sol until i find a supplier that can supply a quality product.

    So far i have been receiving nothing but crap samples
    noooooooooooooooooooooooo!
    1984 2.3 8v Lorinser - Drift/track competition - "Grønne Pige"
    1984 2.3-16 ECE 5-Speed - Sent to Graveyard - "Steve"
    1985 2.3-16 ECE 5-Speed - Daily - "Darkwing"
    1986 2.3-16 NAM 5-Speed - Donor - "Rusty Trumpet"
    1986 2.3-16 NAM Auto - Basket Case - "Phönix"
    1987 2.3-16 NAM VEMS EFI 5-Speed - Track/Canyon - "Dimples"

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    What brand is your stock pp
    1986 201.034 "Berthilda" 5-speed, Evo II wheels 225/45/17, 400E front swaybar, 400e rear brakes
    1986 201.024 M104 engine, 5-speed Conversion, Updated LE trim console, 400E front sway bar, W202 springs, Limited slip Diff, 16v Steering box, 3" magnaflow exhaust system, 16v body kit, 16v Fuel tank, 16v Brake Booster, 400E calipers, MS2 3.57.
    1993 201.029 Sportline LE.

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    It's a LuK... 0042500104
    84 8v 5 speed ---- 93 2.6 auto ---- 1.8t swapped Audi Fox ---- 02 Lifted Discovery II

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    Isn't it possible to find a higher rated pressure plate from the Mercedes or other carmakers parts bin? As far as I know the M103, M104 and and OM606 use the same gearboxes. From this topic from a Norwegian guy building a superturbodiesel I could read out that he uses a Sachs Racing Pressure Plate for BMW E34. In the same topic another guy lists using a MB 300GD clutch (I think they are all 240mm in diametre):

    http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/...d.php?tid=3199

    All that matters is the diameter and torque rating of the PP.

    I have come to an understanding that OEM is usually the best option when it comes to tuning as these are tried and tested parts and the info is accurate compared to aftermarket parts with questionable info/stats. You just have to take measurements of the part you need and find a similar part with higher rating from the OEM catalogues. This means searching for suitable parts (with same measurements) listed for big turbodiesel engines and powerful gasoline engines (BMW M series for example). Some machining might be in order sometimes (for example bolt holes don't line up), but in the end it is cheaper than buying a questionable aftermarket part and breaking it, sometimes causing damage to other components.

    Considering Sachs is the OEM for most German cars I would check what 240 mm pressure plates they have for offer for powerful/big engined cars starting from the mentioned BMW E34.

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    Hes not using the 240mm flywheel. He has the 215mm 8v flywheel.
    1986 201.034 "Berthilda" 5-speed, Evo II wheels 225/45/17, 400E front swaybar, 400e rear brakes
    1986 201.024 M104 engine, 5-speed Conversion, Updated LE trim console, 400E front sway bar, W202 springs, Limited slip Diff, 16v Steering box, 3" magnaflow exhaust system, 16v body kit, 16v Fuel tank, 16v Brake Booster, 400E calipers, MS2 3.57.
    1993 201.029 Sportline LE.

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    I sure would like a 240mm flywheel. Unfortunately the "questionable" aftermarket part didn't become questionable until we bought and broke them. It's still not questionable... they're junk... no question.

    I'm drilling out the rivets on my stock PP and having my clutch guy resurface and rebuild it tomorrow. Still waiting to get my flywheel back. Car's been down for 3 weeks now, two of which SPEC has had my parts only to not do anything with them.
    84 8v 5 speed ---- 93 2.6 auto ---- 1.8t swapped Audi Fox ---- 02 Lifted Discovery II

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    Call them up, those bastards have the worst customer service.
    1986 201.034 "Berthilda" 5-speed, Evo II wheels 225/45/17, 400E front swaybar, 400e rear brakes
    1986 201.024 M104 engine, 5-speed Conversion, Updated LE trim console, 400E front sway bar, W202 springs, Limited slip Diff, 16v Steering box, 3" magnaflow exhaust system, 16v body kit, 16v Fuel tank, 16v Brake Booster, 400E calipers, MS2 3.57.
    1993 201.029 Sportline LE.

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    I called them last week. That's how I found out they decided to use my flywheel as a paper weight.
    84 8v 5 speed ---- 93 2.6 auto ---- 1.8t swapped Audi Fox ---- 02 Lifted Discovery II

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    I didn't realize you were using an 8v clutch.

    That's only 1100psi of pressure there is no way it will hold more than 200lbft.

    You should step up to a 16v 228mm clutch. Or the 12v clutch which is 228mm also.

    I have a collection of stock 16v flywheels I can part with. $200.00 plus shipping

    16v pressure plate is rated at 1500-1600 psi.

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    Where are those custom pressure plates???

    Quote Originally Posted by 5thscaleracer View Post
    I didn't realize you were using an 8v clutch.

    That's only 1100psi of pressure there is no way it will hold more than 200lbft.

    You should step up to a 16v 228mm clutch. Or the 12v clutch which is 228mm also.

    I have a collection of stock 16v flywheels I can part with. $200.00 plus shipping

    16v pressure plate is rated at 1500-1600 psi.
    1986 201.034 "Berthilda" 5-speed, Evo II wheels 225/45/17, 400E front swaybar, 400e rear brakes
    1986 201.024 M104 engine, 5-speed Conversion, Updated LE trim console, 400E front sway bar, W202 springs, Limited slip Diff, 16v Steering box, 3" magnaflow exhaust system, 16v body kit, 16v Fuel tank, 16v Brake Booster, 400E calipers, MS2 3.57.
    1993 201.029 Sportline LE.

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    Still SOL sorry

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5thscaleracer View Post
    Still SOL sorry
    Why not make a flywheel that holds a different clutch such as one from a supra or vette
    1986 201.034 "Berthilda" 5-speed, Evo II wheels 225/45/17, 400E front swaybar, 400e rear brakes
    1986 201.024 M104 engine, 5-speed Conversion, Updated LE trim console, 400E front sway bar, W202 springs, Limited slip Diff, 16v Steering box, 3" magnaflow exhaust system, 16v body kit, 16v Fuel tank, 16v Brake Booster, 400E calipers, MS2 3.57.
    1993 201.029 Sportline LE.

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    Why not make a flywheel that holds a different clutch such as one from a supra or vette
    That seems like the best bet, I know there are lots of facings that are the same size as ours, which means they have a flywheel to match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 202brabus View Post
    Why not make a flywheel that holds a different clutch such as one from a supra or vette
    Good idea but I figured if anyone needed a more extreme clutch this design can be modified to fit a multi plate.

    So if you guys want a multi plate that can be arranged.

    Won't be cheap but it's the end all.

    Basically use a Tilton twin style clutch

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5thscaleracer View Post
    Good idea but I figured if anyone needed a more extreme clutch this design can be modified to fit a multi plate.

    So if you guys want a multi plate that can be arranged.

    Won't be cheap but it's the end all.

    Basically use a Tilton twin style clutch
    How much are we talking here.
    1986 201.034 "Berthilda" 5-speed, Evo II wheels 225/45/17, 400E front swaybar, 400e rear brakes
    1986 201.024 M104 engine, 5-speed Conversion, Updated LE trim console, 400E front sway bar, W202 springs, Limited slip Diff, 16v Steering box, 3" magnaflow exhaust system, 16v body kit, 16v Fuel tank, 16v Brake Booster, 400E calipers, MS2 3.57.
    1993 201.029 Sportline LE.

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