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    If I had a tac, I'd tell you more specifically but it's absolutely tamable. I'd guess above like 3k or so it explodes but I would have no problem rumbling a full days drive in it. We'll see if that holds true once the adrenaline wears off. Maybe I can secure some interior vs exterior footage if that'd be interesting to folks.

    The Magnaflow glasspacks are definitely a better choice than Cherry Bombs IMHO, and the duals, again IMO, keep the rice and rasp at bay. In choosing an exhaust setup, I was comparing to the old 200cu Mustang straight sixes. There's tons of YouTube videos and everyone says split manifold true duals are the way to go.

    If in the future it's too loud, adding a rear resonator shouldn't be very difficult, especially since it's all V-Band clamps. Easy removal and install.
    84 8v 5 speed ---- 93 2.6 auto ---- 1.8t swapped Audi Fox ---- 02 Lifted Discovery II

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    Tight fit getting 2 pipes in there . Video please :)
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    yes, video!
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    Here's something to tide you over from the night before the exhaust went on.

    84 8v 5 speed ---- 93 2.6 auto ---- 1.8t swapped Audi Fox ---- 02 Lifted Discovery II

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    Esssssssplosions!!!!
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    Here's some terrible footage. The snap crackle pop is real.
    Last edited by carmaniac37; 05-05-2015 at 02:34 PM.
    84 8v 5 speed ---- 93 2.6 auto ---- 1.8t swapped Audi Fox ---- 02 Lifted Discovery II

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    Thanks for the video dude ! It's awesome !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by carmaniac37 View Post
    Also made up some short shifter extensions and did that whole mod.


    Nice car, looks very fast

    Do you happen to have any pics on the short shifter mod?

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    http://forum.190rev.net/showthread.php?t=30904

    No but this is the idea. Made mine an inch long.
    84 8v 5 speed ---- 93 2.6 auto ---- 1.8t swapped Audi Fox ---- 02 Lifted Discovery II

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    So my clutch is effed. Seems to be the m104 trend. It's a SPEC stage 2 clutch supposedly good for just under 300 ft - lb but failed miserably. Symptom was it not fully disengaging. After bleeding the hydraulics to no avail, I pulled the motor to diagnose.





    Broke a strap





    We'll see what they have to say about it... just when it was getting good.
    84 8v 5 speed ---- 93 2.6 auto ---- 1.8t swapped Audi Fox ---- 02 Lifted Discovery II

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    fucking spec bullshit
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    1984 2.3-16 ECE 5-Speed - Sent to Graveyard - "Steve"
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    How many straps dors your PP have?
    1986 201.034 "Berthilda" 5-speed, Evo II wheels 225/45/17, 400E front swaybar, 400e rear brakes
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    3 rivets with two layers on each. I compared it to the stock 8v PP which also has 3 rivets but the two straps on each are mounted in opposing directions. I wonder if downshifting kills these things.
    84 8v 5 speed ---- 93 2.6 auto ---- 1.8t swapped Audi Fox ---- 02 Lifted Discovery II

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    Wow another one bites the dust?

    The problem is the diaphragm is stock so when you are off the clutch the pressure plate should be clamped firmly.

    What's going on is the disk is floating (slipping/skipping) causing deflection. The straps are supposed to move since it is another spring.

    So the cause is
    Cheap materials used? Or it's moving so much and the material is so thin that it snaps.

    We use factory Sachs straps on our pressure plate builds. When doubled up the Sachs straps become too thick. The cast friction ring is adjusted (milled) and the crown is also milled and adjusted for clearance.

    How thick are the straps?

    They might be using two thin straps which equal 1 stock strap in total thickness.

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    I can take some measurements later today on those straps. Does the arrangement of the straps play a role?

    I'll grab a picture of the stock pressure plate for reference later but I'm sure you're familiar with how on each of the three rivets, one strap points clockwise and the other points counterclockwise.

    In any case, what are my options for rebuilding? Can you do it, should I find a local shop to do it? And most importantly what should change to make sure this doesn't happen again?

    As of now, I'm not too perturbed by the downtime since it's an excuse to lighten the flywheel but I wanna be reinstalling stuff next week. Email sent to SPEC.
    84 8v 5 speed ---- 93 2.6 auto ---- 1.8t swapped Audi Fox ---- 02 Lifted Discovery II

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    Post that pic upbof the stock PP. Id like to see the strap arangement.
    Quote Originally Posted by carmaniac37 View Post
    I can take some measurements later today on those straps. Does the arrangement of the straps play a role?

    I'll grab a picture of the stock pressure plate for reference later but I'm sure you're familiar with how on each of the three rivets, one strap points clockwise and the other points counterclockwise.

    In any case, what are my options for rebuilding? Can you do it, should I find a local shop to do it? And most importantly what should change to make sure this doesn't happen again?

    As of now, I'm not too perturbed by the downtime since it's an excuse to lighten the flywheel but I wanna be reinstalling stuff next week. Email sent to SPEC.
    1986 201.034 "Berthilda" 5-speed, Evo II wheels 225/45/17, 400E front swaybar, 400e rear brakes
    1986 201.024 M104 engine, 5-speed Conversion, Updated LE trim console, 400E front sway bar, W202 springs, Limited slip Diff, 16v Steering box, 3" magnaflow exhaust system, 16v body kit, 16v Fuel tank, 16v Brake Booster, 400E calipers, MS2 3.57.
    1993 201.029 Sportline LE.

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    Here you go


    84 8v 5 speed ---- 93 2.6 auto ---- 1.8t swapped Audi Fox ---- 02 Lifted Discovery II

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    After emailing with SPEC, they told me to send it in and they'll repair it and check it out. After asking a few times about strengthening it so this doesn't happen again, they said they'll look into beefing the straps up. The whole kit is in shipment to Alabama, Flywheel, disc, PP, everything upon their request. I should hear from them next week when it arrives.
    84 8v 5 speed ---- 93 2.6 auto ---- 1.8t swapped Audi Fox ---- 02 Lifted Discovery II

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    I would add straps to that stock pp and use that.
    1986 201.034 "Berthilda" 5-speed, Evo II wheels 225/45/17, 400E front swaybar, 400e rear brakes
    1986 201.024 M104 engine, 5-speed Conversion, Updated LE trim console, 400E front sway bar, W202 springs, Limited slip Diff, 16v Steering box, 3" magnaflow exhaust system, 16v body kit, 16v Fuel tank, 16v Brake Booster, 400E calipers, MS2 3.57.
    1993 201.029 Sportline LE.

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    Clutch arrived to SPEC Tuesday morning. I got a phone call this afternoon. Clutch is shot, they "can't" rebuild it, I would have to buy a new one from them.

    I have officially been shafted by this company and I formally replace any advocation for their products with warning to all potential customers that SPEC does NOT stand by their product and does not care about their customers.

    Final tally... the Stage 2 clutch SE792 was $409 when I bought it and rated for 296 lb-ft. They have since raised the price to $465 and lowered the torque rating to 276 lb-ft. Still more than my engine is making.

    According to them the pressure plate is "not rebuild able." My very first email to initiate this process included my invoice number for them to reference the kit I have and they conveniently waited for me to spend another $45 to ship not just the clutch but the flywheel as well from NY to Alabama to figure this out. The car will be down for probably 3 weeks before I get the clutch back from them. I was hopeful they would understand the problem and be willing to remedy it. I was hopeful the guy I've been emailing for a week and who left me a voicemail 10 minutes before I called back would remember my name. I was hopeful that buying brand new performance parts would solidify this build. As it turns out the engineers and customer service reps at SPEC are just as useless as the products they sell.

    /rant

    So the SPEC pressure plate is going in the trash where it belongs. I'll reluctantly reuse the SPEC clutch disc since it has less than 5000 miles on it and I will look into getting the stock pressure plate rebuilt maybe with some stiffer springs and extra straps. Once my stuff returns I can get to lightening the flywheel as well. I'm cleaning up wires in the mean time.
    84 8v 5 speed ---- 93 2.6 auto ---- 1.8t swapped Audi Fox ---- 02 Lifted Discovery II

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